1 00:00:12,050 --> 00:00:21,750 [Music] 2 00:00:26,870 --> 00:00:22,630 on the evening 3 00:00:27,589 --> 00:00:26,880 of september 4th 1964 28 year old donald 4 00:00:30,470 --> 00:00:27,599 schrum 5 00:00:31,830 --> 00:00:30,480 along with two friends vincent alvarez 6 00:00:34,069 --> 00:00:31,840 and tim trueblood 7 00:00:36,150 --> 00:00:34,079 were hunting in the tahoe national 8 00:00:38,950 --> 00:00:36,160 forest near cisco grove 9 00:00:39,750 --> 00:00:38,960 california all had considerable 10 00:00:42,950 --> 00:00:39,760 experience 11 00:00:44,310 --> 00:00:42,960 bow hunting and all were overall general 12 00:00:46,549 --> 00:00:44,320 outdoorsmen 13 00:00:47,750 --> 00:00:46,559 on this particular night after having 14 00:00:50,950 --> 00:00:47,760 established a camp 15 00:00:52,869 --> 00:00:50,960 they found themselves hunting for deer 16 00:00:54,150 --> 00:00:52,879 perhaps due to their comfort in the 17 00:00:56,549 --> 00:00:54,160 outdoor environment 18 00:00:58,150 --> 00:00:56,559 with a night fast approaching no less 19 00:01:00,229 --> 00:00:58,160 all agreed that they would push 20 00:01:01,270 --> 00:01:00,239 deep into the woods in pursuit of their 21 00:01:03,910 --> 00:01:01,280 targets 22 00:01:05,750 --> 00:01:03,920 and if they had to spend the night in 23 00:01:07,590 --> 00:01:05,760 the woods and rendezvous back in the 24 00:01:09,750 --> 00:01:07,600 camp in the morning 25 00:01:12,390 --> 00:01:09,760 before long all three of them found 26 00:01:15,670 --> 00:01:12,400 themselves separated from one another 27 00:01:17,749 --> 00:01:15,680 looking for their potential targets 28 00:01:18,789 --> 00:01:17,759 with daylight losing the battle against 29 00:01:20,630 --> 00:01:18,799 the night 30 00:01:23,270 --> 00:01:20,640 shrum would make the decision to find 31 00:01:26,469 --> 00:01:23,280 somewhere to bed down for the night 32 00:01:28,789 --> 00:01:26,479 or more accurately bed up 33 00:01:30,870 --> 00:01:28,799 shrum had with him a military-style belt 34 00:01:33,590 --> 00:01:30,880 which allowed for him to secure himself 35 00:01:34,469 --> 00:01:33,600 in a tree given the number of wild 36 00:01:36,710 --> 00:01:34,479 animals who 37 00:01:37,590 --> 00:01:36,720 might wish to turn the tables on the 38 00:01:39,590 --> 00:01:37,600 hunter 39 00:01:41,749 --> 00:01:39,600 shroom believed this was a preferable 40 00:01:45,510 --> 00:01:41,759 option to camping on the ground 41 00:01:47,429 --> 00:01:45,520 alone and ultimately defenseless 42 00:01:50,230 --> 00:01:47,439 shortly after securing himself for the 43 00:01:51,830 --> 00:01:50,240 night a strange light appeared in the 44 00:01:54,710 --> 00:01:51,840 distance 45 00:01:56,069 --> 00:01:54,720 of more concern to shrum was a 46 00:01:58,469 --> 00:01:56,079 zigzagging pattern 47 00:02:00,870 --> 00:01:58,479 around the trees at low altitude which 48 00:02:03,030 --> 00:02:00,880 headed towards him 49 00:02:03,990 --> 00:02:03,040 thinking his two friends had arranged a 50 00:02:06,469 --> 00:02:04,000 search for him 51 00:02:07,270 --> 00:02:06,479 in the form of a helicopter he jumped 52 00:02:09,350 --> 00:02:07,280 from the tree 53 00:02:11,910 --> 00:02:09,360 and quickly released three of his flares 54 00:02:14,229 --> 00:02:11,920 to give away his destination 55 00:02:15,190 --> 00:02:14,239 as he was waving his arms and yelling 56 00:02:17,750 --> 00:02:15,200 for attention 57 00:02:18,309 --> 00:02:17,760 he began to realize what was heading his 58 00:02:22,070 --> 00:02:18,319 way 59 00:02:24,309 --> 00:02:22,080 wasn't a rescue helicopter after all 60 00:02:27,270 --> 00:02:24,319 the glowing object finally stopped 61 00:02:29,670 --> 00:02:27,280 around 50 yards from his position 62 00:02:31,910 --> 00:02:29,680 it was spherical but unlike anything 63 00:02:34,229 --> 00:02:31,920 he'd ever seen before 64 00:02:36,710 --> 00:02:34,239 he quickly made his way back up the tree 65 00:02:39,270 --> 00:02:36,720 making sure his bow was ready 66 00:02:41,990 --> 00:02:39,280 fear was now rising at a seemingly 67 00:02:44,550 --> 00:02:42,000 unstoppable rate within him 68 00:02:45,589 --> 00:02:44,560 that fear would rise even more when 69 00:02:48,390 --> 00:02:45,599 three small 70 00:02:49,509 --> 00:02:48,400 humanoid creatures emerged from the 71 00:02:51,430 --> 00:02:49,519 craft 72 00:02:52,949 --> 00:02:51,440 and began making their way straight 73 00:02:55,509 --> 00:02:52,959 towards him 74 00:02:56,630 --> 00:02:55,519 as they came closer he could see that 75 00:02:59,509 --> 00:02:56,640 while two of them 76 00:03:00,350 --> 00:02:59,519 were most definitely humanoid the third 77 00:03:03,830 --> 00:03:00,360 was more 78 00:03:05,110 --> 00:03:03,840 robot-like the two humanoids began to 79 00:03:07,350 --> 00:03:05,120 shake the tree 80 00:03:08,470 --> 00:03:07,360 obviously in an effort to force him from 81 00:03:12,149 --> 00:03:08,480 it 82 00:03:14,710 --> 00:03:12,159 however 83 00:03:16,470 --> 00:03:14,720 when a white vaper shot out from the 84 00:03:18,869 --> 00:03:16,480 robotic creature's mouth 85 00:03:20,309 --> 00:03:18,879 he later realized he was knocked 86 00:03:24,070 --> 00:03:20,319 unconscious 87 00:03:25,910 --> 00:03:24,080 only momentarily however aside from an 88 00:03:28,470 --> 00:03:25,920 intense feeling of nausea 89 00:03:30,630 --> 00:03:28,480 he was unharmed he began lighting the 90 00:03:32,630 --> 00:03:30,640 matches he used for his flares 91 00:03:34,309 --> 00:03:32,640 dropping them towards the menacing trio 92 00:03:37,190 --> 00:03:34,319 in an effort to force them 93 00:03:38,070 --> 00:03:37,200 away although they would back away for a 94 00:03:41,509 --> 00:03:38,080 short while 95 00:03:43,990 --> 00:03:41,519 they soon continued their assault 96 00:03:45,509 --> 00:03:44,000 by this time shrum had managed to load 97 00:03:48,869 --> 00:03:45,519 an arrow into his bow 98 00:03:51,030 --> 00:03:48,879 and let it fly it soared into the 99 00:03:53,910 --> 00:03:51,040 robot's direction 100 00:03:55,910 --> 00:03:53,920 seconds later a shower of sparks flew 101 00:03:59,270 --> 00:03:55,920 into the air suggesting a direct 102 00:04:01,589 --> 00:03:59,280 hit as quickly as he could he fired two 103 00:04:03,350 --> 00:04:01,599 more arrows in the general vicinity of 104 00:04:06,949 --> 00:04:03,360 the creature's location 105 00:04:08,789 --> 00:04:06,959 causing all of them to back away however 106 00:04:09,990 --> 00:04:08,799 before he could take advantage of the 107 00:04:13,990 --> 00:04:10,000 situation 108 00:04:16,949 --> 00:04:14,000 a second robot appeared and once again 109 00:04:18,390 --> 00:04:16,959 a white vapor hit shrum and caused him 110 00:04:21,430 --> 00:04:18,400 to lose consciousness 111 00:04:24,870 --> 00:04:21,440 again when he awoke this 112 00:04:27,030 --> 00:04:24,880 final time he was alone 113 00:04:28,230 --> 00:04:27,040 there was no sign of the ship having 114 00:04:31,030 --> 00:04:28,240 returned but 115 00:04:32,950 --> 00:04:31,040 all the creatures including the robots 116 00:04:35,749 --> 00:04:32,960 were gone 117 00:04:36,469 --> 00:04:35,759 he dropped himself from the tree dazed 118 00:04:39,990 --> 00:04:36,479 tired but 119 00:04:42,150 --> 00:04:40,000 largely unhurt he would set out for the 120 00:04:42,950 --> 00:04:42,160 pre-arranged meeting place of the 121 00:04:46,550 --> 00:04:42,960 campsite 122 00:04:48,310 --> 00:04:46,560 from the previous afternoon once there 123 00:04:51,030 --> 00:04:48,320 he would discover both of his friends 124 00:04:53,110 --> 00:04:51,040 waiting for him as planned 125 00:04:55,350 --> 00:04:53,120 incidentally all three of the men would 126 00:04:55,990 --> 00:04:55,360 return to the destination later that day 127 00:04:59,350 --> 00:04:56,000 after hearing 128 00:05:01,510 --> 00:04:59,360 shrum's incredible story 129 00:05:02,390 --> 00:05:01,520 they did find several of the arrows he 130 00:05:04,550 --> 00:05:02,400 had fired 131 00:05:06,230 --> 00:05:04,560 as well as several pieces of charred 132 00:05:08,230 --> 00:05:06,240 clothing 133 00:05:10,870 --> 00:05:08,240 his two friends would believe his claims 134 00:05:13,029 --> 00:05:10,880 though in part due to alvarez's own 135 00:05:14,950 --> 00:05:13,039 sighting of the glowing craft leaving 136 00:05:17,430 --> 00:05:14,960 the scene 137 00:05:19,029 --> 00:05:17,440 however when shrum's mother-in-law upon 138 00:05:21,189 --> 00:05:19,039 hearing of the encounter 139 00:05:23,350 --> 00:05:21,199 told an astronomer friend from the local 140 00:05:26,469 --> 00:05:23,360 college things begin to take a 141 00:05:28,310 --> 00:05:26,479 gritty turn the astronomer would 142 00:05:30,629 --> 00:05:28,320 immediately contact the nearby 143 00:05:32,790 --> 00:05:30,639 mcclelland air force base 144 00:05:33,749 --> 00:05:32,800 he would inform them of the account and 145 00:05:37,189 --> 00:05:33,759 the location 146 00:05:39,830 --> 00:05:37,199 of the witness even more bizarre 147 00:05:41,830 --> 00:05:39,840 instead of visiting him at his home to 148 00:05:44,150 --> 00:05:41,840 listen to his version of events 149 00:05:45,350 --> 00:05:44,160 even though he had not yet made any sort 150 00:05:47,830 --> 00:05:45,360 of report 151 00:05:48,469 --> 00:05:47,840 they would arrange to meet in an empty 152 00:05:52,150 --> 00:05:48,479 house 153 00:05:55,350 --> 00:05:52,160 at an off-base housing development 154 00:05:57,189 --> 00:05:55,360 shrum would agree to the meeting the two 155 00:05:58,150 --> 00:05:57,199 officers present would listen to his 156 00:06:01,510 --> 00:05:58,160 account and then 157 00:06:04,070 --> 00:06:01,520 confiscate several of the arrows 158 00:06:05,990 --> 00:06:04,080 later claims suggested that these had 159 00:06:09,590 --> 00:06:06,000 shavings of the robot on 160 00:06:11,749 --> 00:06:09,600 them then the officers insisted 161 00:06:13,510 --> 00:06:11,759 that what he had just described to them 162 00:06:16,629 --> 00:06:13,520 hadn't happened 163 00:06:19,029 --> 00:06:16,639 or not in the way he remembered 164 00:06:19,990 --> 00:06:19,039 furthermore they would present several 165 00:06:22,070 --> 00:06:20,000 alternative 166 00:06:23,110 --> 00:06:22,080 scenarios as if giving him the 167 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:23,120 opportunity to 168 00:06:26,950 --> 00:06:26,479 pick one for himself he would eventually 169 00:06:30,390 --> 00:06:26,960 agree 170 00:06:32,550 --> 00:06:30,400 that he wasn't certain of what he'd seen 171 00:06:34,150 --> 00:06:32,560 if for no other reason than to keep his 172 00:06:38,150 --> 00:06:34,160 employers from facing 173 00:06:39,110 --> 00:06:38,160 similar questions shrum has stuck to the 174 00:06:41,670 --> 00:06:39,120 same story 175 00:06:43,350 --> 00:06:41,680 and version of events for over half a 176 00:06:45,270 --> 00:06:43,360 century 177 00:06:47,510 --> 00:06:45,280 i'm going to leave you with an audio 178 00:06:48,469 --> 00:06:47,520 clip of an interview conducted by ufo 179 00:06:52,070 --> 00:06:48,479 researcher 180 00:06:54,309 --> 00:06:52,080 and author ruben urriate 181 00:06:55,270 --> 00:06:54,319 for a complete and comprehensive look at 182 00:06:57,510 --> 00:06:55,280 this case 183 00:06:58,469 --> 00:06:57,520 be sure to purchase the book aliens in 184 00:07:01,670 --> 00:06:58,479 the forest 185 00:07:02,070 --> 00:07:01,680 the cisco grove ufo incident co-written 186 00:07:05,430 --> 00:07:02,080 by 187 00:07:08,230 --> 00:07:05,440 uriarte and notoris 188 00:07:08,790 --> 00:07:08,240 in this exclusive interview you'll hear 189 00:07:11,589 --> 00:07:08,800 shrum 190 00:07:12,550 --> 00:07:11,599 recount that harrowing day in his own 191 00:07:14,469 --> 00:07:12,560 words 192 00:07:15,909 --> 00:07:14,479 and i heard some thrashing through the 193 00:07:18,790 --> 00:07:15,919 brush and probably five 194 00:07:19,270 --> 00:07:18,800 ten minutes these two humanoids come out 195 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:19,280 of the 196 00:07:25,270 --> 00:07:22,800 brush off and 197 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:25,280 and uh was looking at it and then they 198 00:07:28,309 --> 00:07:27,120 came straight underneath the tree and 199 00:07:32,629 --> 00:07:28,319 looked up at me 200 00:07:34,790 --> 00:07:32,639 and i i knew right then i was fingered 201 00:07:36,469 --> 00:07:34,800 they found you yeah they found me can 202 00:07:39,189 --> 00:07:36,479 you describe them for us 203 00:07:40,150 --> 00:07:39,199 that was briefly yeah they were looked 204 00:07:42,070 --> 00:07:40,160 like uh 205 00:07:43,270 --> 00:07:42,080 four or five feet of course i'm looking 206 00:07:45,350 --> 00:07:43,280 down at them so 207 00:07:46,309 --> 00:07:45,360 they they'd be shorter than they 208 00:07:49,350 --> 00:07:46,319 probably are 209 00:07:52,550 --> 00:07:49,360 and they had a silvery like a one piece 210 00:07:55,589 --> 00:07:52,560 a suit on and it seemed like it had the 211 00:07:59,029 --> 00:07:55,599 the joints puffy joints you know 212 00:08:00,230 --> 00:07:59,039 on the shoulders and elbows and and the 213 00:08:02,150 --> 00:08:00,240 legs i didn't see 214 00:08:03,510 --> 00:08:02,160 that clear were you able to see their 215 00:08:06,550 --> 00:08:03,520 faces 216 00:08:07,270 --> 00:08:06,560 no it was just a kind of a dark shadow i 217 00:08:10,230 --> 00:08:07,280 could see that 218 00:08:12,390 --> 00:08:10,240 the two uh like eyes that were looked 219 00:08:13,029 --> 00:08:12,400 like welding goggles to me they're the 220 00:08:14,869 --> 00:08:13,039 same as 221 00:08:16,950 --> 00:08:14,879 welding goggles they're about two inches 222 00:08:19,189 --> 00:08:16,960 in diameter it reminds me just 223 00:08:21,270 --> 00:08:19,199 like i said like a welding goggles and 224 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:21,280 then the rest of the face was kind of a 225 00:08:24,629 --> 00:08:23,680 blur i couldn't see looking down at them 226 00:08:27,830 --> 00:08:24,639 then i saw 227 00:08:29,909 --> 00:08:27,840 two flashing red orange eyes just 228 00:08:32,149 --> 00:08:29,919 picking its way down the ridge just 229 00:08:32,949 --> 00:08:32,159 between the rocks and and around them 230 00:08:36,310 --> 00:08:32,959 and everything 231 00:08:39,430 --> 00:08:36,320 and come down and was on this 232 00:08:41,990 --> 00:08:39,440 big boulder this big flat rock 233 00:08:43,829 --> 00:08:42,000 and then he kind of looked up at me and 234 00:08:46,070 --> 00:08:43,839 he moved his hand 235 00:08:47,350 --> 00:08:46,080 through the fires cinders and kind of 236 00:08:51,509 --> 00:08:47,360 scattered him 237 00:08:54,790 --> 00:08:51,519 then he come down up on the rock he was 238 00:08:57,910 --> 00:08:54,800 about seven feet from me and uh then he 239 00:08:59,670 --> 00:08:57,920 he touched his mouth and uh the kind of 240 00:09:02,070 --> 00:08:59,680 a steam vapor come out 241 00:09:03,110 --> 00:09:02,080 of his mouth and it lit up his face so i 242 00:09:06,949 --> 00:09:03,120 could see 243 00:09:09,590 --> 00:09:06,959 some detail and then i i blacked out 244 00:09:10,870 --> 00:09:09,600 when that steam hit me kind of took the 245 00:09:13,509 --> 00:09:10,880 air from me 246 00:09:15,350 --> 00:09:13,519 and i'd gas for air and then black out 247 00:09:16,470 --> 00:09:15,360 and i fell over my bow 248 00:09:18,389 --> 00:09:16,480 that's the only thing that kept me in 249 00:09:19,910 --> 00:09:18,399 the tree and then 250 00:09:23,110 --> 00:09:19,920 so i figured they were out to get me 251 00:09:25,829 --> 00:09:23,120 then the eyes of this other 252 00:09:27,030 --> 00:09:25,839 creature like the robot what would that 253 00:09:30,070 --> 00:09:27,040 look like to you 254 00:09:33,509 --> 00:09:30,080 it had kind of like fire it's kind of a 255 00:09:35,430 --> 00:09:33,519 orange reddish orange yellowish orange 256 00:09:37,430 --> 00:09:35,440 it kind of flickered like fire and 257 00:09:39,590 --> 00:09:37,440 they're about the same diameter as 258 00:09:40,630 --> 00:09:39,600 about two inches in diameter as the 259 00:09:43,670 --> 00:09:40,640 humanoids 260 00:09:46,230 --> 00:09:43,680 i had a 60-pound bow which is a 261 00:09:47,910 --> 00:09:46,240 very high velocity since seeing how the 262 00:09:50,790 --> 00:09:47,920 robot is the only thing that was 263 00:09:52,870 --> 00:09:50,800 causing me harm i shot the chest area 264 00:09:55,829 --> 00:09:52,880 and it has the velocity of a rifle 265 00:09:57,829 --> 00:09:55,839 at that that distance because i'm only 266 00:10:00,790 --> 00:09:57,839 about seven eight feet from him 267 00:10:01,590 --> 00:10:00,800 and it when i hit the chest the sparks 268 00:10:04,710 --> 00:10:01,600 would fly 269 00:10:07,350 --> 00:10:04,720 like an arc welder kind of and then that 270 00:10:08,310 --> 00:10:07,360 that robot backed up and almost knocked 271 00:10:11,030 --> 00:10:08,320 him down 272 00:10:12,710 --> 00:10:11,040 he kind of fell back against the rob and 273 00:10:16,230 --> 00:10:12,720 then i ran out of uh 274 00:10:18,069 --> 00:10:16,240 arrows so i only had three left and uh 275 00:10:19,509 --> 00:10:18,079 i thought well i had that's when paul 276 00:10:22,389 --> 00:10:19,519 made haired 277 00:10:23,269 --> 00:10:22,399 is just i mean the cap i had on was just 278 00:10:26,310 --> 00:10:23,279 soaked with 279 00:10:27,590 --> 00:10:26,320 oil is this for your hair yeah from my 280 00:10:30,870 --> 00:10:27,600 hair yeah yeah yeah 281 00:10:33,269 --> 00:10:30,880 pomade and uh i always carry uh 282 00:10:34,150 --> 00:10:33,279 all kinds of books and matches with me 283 00:10:36,790 --> 00:10:34,160 when i hunted 284 00:10:38,150 --> 00:10:36,800 and so i lit that cap and it just blazed 285 00:10:40,790 --> 00:10:38,160 up and i dropped it down 286 00:10:41,750 --> 00:10:40,800 the base of the tree and just in that 287 00:10:45,430 --> 00:10:41,760 instant 288 00:10:49,190 --> 00:10:45,440 they they moved back about 12 15 feet 289 00:10:52,310 --> 00:10:49,200 and that the i glanced over at 290 00:10:53,829 --> 00:10:52,320 the ship that was over the canyon kind 291 00:10:55,590 --> 00:10:53,839 of almost leveled with me 292 00:10:57,990 --> 00:10:55,600 and it was almost out of sight it was 293 00:11:00,230 --> 00:10:58,000 just like a star it moved that fast 294 00:11:01,110 --> 00:11:00,240 just in that second so then i got the 295 00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:01,120 idea that 296 00:11:05,030 --> 00:11:03,760 they're scared of fire so i i burned 297 00:11:08,069 --> 00:11:05,040 everything but my t-shirt 298 00:11:08,710 --> 00:11:08,079 my jeans and uh come to find out later 299 00:11:11,430 --> 00:11:08,720 on that 300 00:11:12,550 --> 00:11:11,440 that it was 32 degrees out and i was 301 00:11:14,870 --> 00:11:12,560 shaking and 302 00:11:16,389 --> 00:11:14,880 kind of overexposed for the weather well 303 00:11:19,829 --> 00:11:16,399 when i throw it through my 304 00:11:22,230 --> 00:11:19,839 after my hat i threw my canteen down and 305 00:11:24,230 --> 00:11:22,240 they they'd picked it up and looked at 306 00:11:26,630 --> 00:11:24,240 it and threw it back down 307 00:11:27,990 --> 00:11:26,640 when i ran out of stuff to burn i headed 308 00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:28,000 for the top of the tree 309 00:11:32,949 --> 00:11:31,200 and then then i i'd uh it was pretty 310 00:11:33,670 --> 00:11:32,959 sparse tree i could see down to the 311 00:11:36,389 --> 00:11:33,680 ground 312 00:11:38,310 --> 00:11:36,399 and i broke off the top and threw it 313 00:11:41,190 --> 00:11:38,320 down and anytime i throw 314 00:11:41,990 --> 00:11:41,200 down or or shake the tree these 315 00:11:44,069 --> 00:11:42,000 humanoids would 316 00:11:45,190 --> 00:11:44,079 back up when i was up in the top of that 317 00:11:47,430 --> 00:11:45,200 tree i 318 00:11:49,190 --> 00:11:47,440 thought about just jumping off and 319 00:11:50,790 --> 00:11:49,200 jumping down the canyon and just 320 00:11:52,629 --> 00:11:50,800 killing myself but the only thing that 321 00:11:54,949 --> 00:11:52,639 kept me going is i had 322 00:11:58,790 --> 00:11:54,959 the little girl my wife that kept me